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Re: KESS

Post by Johnny_Bravo » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:40 pm

i have that odd looking passat from bos, looks nice in hand though....
i like the white alfa but the GTV looks off....really off. Others i don't have anything to compare with, but my few kess models (on sale of course) make me wait for some other sales....no way in hell i am paying 80 euros for so-so quality and rendition.

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Post by Marcellix » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:54 pm

klauzephoto wrote:i have that odd looking passat from bos, looks nice in hand though....
i like the white alfa but the GTV looks off....really off. Others i don't have anything to compare with, but my few kess models (on sale of course) make me wait for some other sales....no way in hell i am paying 80 euros for so-so quality and rendition.
I have about 10 Kess models. They really look better than on pictures. Except for the Alfetta. That one is just very awkward. But the only this type Alfetta available, so I had to have it, on sale.

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Re: KESS

Post by k1w1taxi » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:12 pm

Madalinutzu wrote: Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT Veloce 1966

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Is it just me, the angle of the photo, or does this have the most abominable depiction of the area in front of the bonnet? And I wont even mention the apparent desire of the turn signal chrome to have nothing further to do with the model ;)

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Post by Johnny_Bravo » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:26 pm

if it is the same AA did, this one looks horror.

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Re: KESS

Post by Tom » Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:13 am

Roof doesn't look right either.

I should think that in the era of laser scanning and 3D printing it should be possible to make perfect reproductions of anything. :(

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Re: KESS

Post by David MG » Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:51 am

Looks nothing like the 1750 I used to own ! :shock:
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Re: KESS

Post by Marcellix » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:15 am

In this case I would say: why bother even making it? There is a perfect autoart...

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Re: KESS

Post by Jager » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:01 am

k1w1taxi wrote:
Madalinutzu wrote: Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT Veloce 1966

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Is it just me, the angle of the photo, or does this have the most abominable depiction of the area in front of the bonnet? And I wont even mention the apparent desire of the turn signal chrome to have nothing further to do with the model ;)

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Lee, are you talking about the 'step nose' which was a deliberate design feature of the early Giulia's ? This is because the bonnet hinges from the front rather the rear.

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My biggest gripe would be the wheels which look nothing like any Giulia I've seen.
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Re: KESS

Post by Paulius43 » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:30 am

I think the whole shape is wrong, just check the side windows line (and roof line).. Again, why do these companies release models already done or planned by other companies??
With hundreds or thousands of subjects still to make from scratch.. :roll: :(
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Re: KESS

Post by Marcellix » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:40 am

Paulius43 wrote:I think the whole shape is wrong, just check the side windows line (and roof line).. Again, why do these companies release models already done or planned by other companies??
With hundreds or thousands of subjects still to make from scratch.. :roll: :(
My thoughts exactly! Luckily Kess made some other models others did forget... The Alfa's 164, Alfasud sprint are nice, like is the Shamal and CX break.

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Re: KESS

Post by Johnny_Bravo » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:52 am

Marcellix wrote:
Paulius43 wrote:I think the whole shape is wrong, just check the side windows line (and roof line).. Again, why do these companies release models already done or planned by other companies??
With hundreds or thousands of subjects still to make from scratch.. :roll: :(
My thoughts exactly! Luckily Kess made some other models others did forget... The Alfa's 164, Alfasud sprint are nice, like is the Shamal and CX break.
lovely ones, but the alfa 164 was also made by minichamps a while ago....pretty rare though. i feel bad i didnt get it from kess, i reaaly like that car.

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Re: KESS

Post by Marcellix » Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:53 am

klauzephoto wrote:
Marcellix wrote:
Paulius43 wrote:I think the whole shape is wrong, just check the side windows line (and roof line).. Again, why do these companies release models already done or planned by other companies??
With hundreds or thousands of subjects still to make from scratch.. :roll: :(
My thoughts exactly! Luckily Kess made some other models others did forget... The Alfa's 164, Alfasud sprint are nice, like is the Shamal and CX break.
lovely ones, but the alfa 164 was also made by minichamps a while ago....pretty rare though. i feel bad i didnt get it from kess, i reaaly like that car.
Minichamps makes the facelift version, Kess the original. So I have both.

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Re: KESS

Post by GTrecurring » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:54 pm

David MG wrote:Looks nothing like the 1750 I used to own ! :shock:
Which is just as well. This earlier car had a completely different nose, amongst many other differences.

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Re: KESS

Post by GTrecurring » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:11 pm

Marcellix wrote:In this case I would say: why bother even making it? There is a perfect autoart...
Why make it?

Because the 1600 GTV has not been done in a 1:43 diecast model before. Even back in the 1960s the Italian toys were all of the similar Giulia Sprint GT.

The closest diecast model that has been done recently was the Minichamps 1600 GTA, which is a different car in many ways.

When this shape first came out, the car was called Giulia Sprint GT and had a chromed diecast grille.

In 1966/67 the grille was changed to the one that Kess have done and a 'Veloce' badge was added to the tail panel. This car became known as the 1600 GTV.

Also using this early 'step front' nose style was a model called GT 1300 which had a single chrome grille bar, not the three bars as shown on the Kess 1600 GTV.

So, potentially, Kess could easily make the Giulia Sprint GT, 1600 GTV and GT 1300 from this pattern.

And I agree that the roof line and wheels on this Kess model have not been well done.

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Post by Jager » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:25 am

GTrecurring wrote:
Marcellix wrote:In this case I would say: why bother even making it? There is a perfect autoart...
Why make it?

Because the 1600 GTV has not been done in a 1:43 diecast model before. Even back in the 1960s the Italian toys were all of the similar Giulia Sprint GT.

The closest diecast model that has been done recently was the Minichamps 1600 GTA, which is a different car in many ways.

When this shape first came out, the car was called Giulia Sprint GT and had a chromed diecast grille.

In 1966/67 the grille was changed to the one that Kess have done and a 'Veloce' badge was added to the tail panel. This car became known as the 1600 GTV.

Also using this early 'step front' nose style was a model called GT 1300 which had a single chrome grille bar, not the three bars as shown on the Kess 1600 GTV.

So, potentially, Kess could easily make the Giulia Sprint GT, 1600 GTV and GT 1300 from this pattern.

And I agree that the roof line and wheels on this Kess model have not been well done.
GT, my understanding of the Alfa's is a little different. Ignoring the 1300's, :

1964 - 1600 GT : step nose / black grille / single chrome bar / single headlights.
1965 - 1600 GTV : step nose / black grille / 3 chrome bars / single headlights
1967 - 1750 GTV : smooth nose / black grille / single chrome bar / twin headlights.
1971 - 2000 GTV : smooth nose / diecast chrome grill / twin headlights

There are lots of versions Kess could make, but they have to live up to the 1:43 1750 that Autoart have already produced that sells for $35.

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Kess have a lot of work to do !
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Re: KESS

Post by GTrecurring » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:48 pm

There are four distinct versions of the step nose coupe.

The earliest version is the Giulia Sprint GT c1964/65 which came with a chromed diecast grille as shown here.

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It was replaced by the 'Veloce' version which was around in 1966/67. This car had a 'Veloce' badge in the tail panel, a timber look dashboard and three horizontal grille bars. This car has become known as the 1600 GTV.

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The GT 1300 was around in 1968/69/70 and had a less luxurious interior than the 1600 and just one horizontal grille bar.

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The 1600 GTA which was available in 1965/66 shared the above cars' styling but the body had alloy panels and different door handles. The grille was simple mesh.

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Minichamps did a decent model of the 1600 GTA a while back. What a shame Minichamps or Autoart didn't do the complete range of these step front cars.

I hope this is of help.

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Re: KESS

Post by JSB33 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:28 am

I am thoroughly enjoying the lesson. Just hope I retain this knowledge.
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Re: KESS

Post by Marcellix » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:49 am

Nice lesson indeed. This is my Giulia Sprint GT 1963, Progetto K
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Re: KESS

Post by Jager » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:22 am

I was going to post a picture of my Progetto K Alfa Giulia GTAm here as well. These weren't too bad when they were first released circa 1991, but obviously show their age today against newer releases.

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Re: KESS

Post by dbonser » Tue May 05, 2015 11:21 pm

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Re: KESS

Post by BertOne » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:59 am

A new announcement - the Lamborghini Faena by Frua.
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Let's hope it's better than Yow's somewhat misshapen version.

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Re: KESS

Post by Paulius43 » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:41 am

COOL!! So Kess is into weird car modelling like Matrix?! Gosh, wish they improved their quality!
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Post by Baxter » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:36 am

BertOne wrote:A new announcement - the Lamborghini Faena by Frua.
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Let's hope it's better than Yow's somewhat misshapen version.
Lamborghini (and Frua) need to learn about front & rear overhang. I think jet planes have less sheetmetal behind the wheels.

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Re: KESS

Post by Johnny_Bravo » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:41 am

mmmm....lovely model announced. i have a few i'd like from kess but unfortunately i don't think they worth more than 50 euro. call me whatever you want...i think the prices are inflated by the likes of minichamps and matrix and the others are following the trend...no thanks.

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