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Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby cadillaclloyd » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:20 pm

I believe the fin is too short, and possibly not tall enough. Many seem happy with this model, but I am not one of them.
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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby JSB33 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:40 am

Does seem a bit off.

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There seems to be a number of collectors that worship in the church of Brooklin. :D
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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby guitardave_1 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:42 pm

I am not familiar enough with the car, so I can only go on the photo. It doesn't look quite right, and nor does the shape of the rear screen. I get the impression it is partly due to an inability to create the sharp corners with the metal casting of the model.
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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby Chris Sweetman » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:26 am

Well this magazine gives this model 10/10 LOL! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.modelcollector.co.uk/news/ar ... 1-43/16841

Perhaps the reviewer worships in the church of Brooklin as referenced by Jeff.

For me there are several issues applying to the manufacture:

1. The windscreen does not fit into the frame
2. The side windows are not flush in the frames
3. Rear screen does not fit into the frame
4. Headlight lenses are represented in metal! Many forums offer excuses why this is the case but Brooklin could buy in “proper” lenses from Scale 43 to rectify this issue. OK a few more ££££’s will be added to the overall cost but!!!!!!!
5. There is too much of a gap between the bottom of the window frame and the top line where the doors are.
6. The chrome trim looks way out of scale
7. Then there are the details as pointed out by Lloyd

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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby BertOne » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:40 am

Chris Sweetman wrote:Well this magazine gives this model 10/10 LOL! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.modelcollector.co.uk/news/ar ... 1-43/16841

Perhaps the reviewer worships in the church of Brooklin as referenced by Jeff.

For me there are several issues applying to the manufacture:

1. The windscreen does not fit into the frame
2. The side windows are not flush in the frames
3. Rear screen does not fit into the frame
4. Headlight lenses are represented in metal! Many forums offer excuses why this is the case but Brooklin could buy in “proper” lenses from Scale 43 to rectify this issue. OK a few more ££££’s will be added to the overall cost but!!!!!!!
5. There is too much of a gap between the bottom of the window frame and the top line where the doors are.
6. The chrome trim looks way out of scale
7. Then there are the details as pointed out by Lloyd

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Model Collector's reviews are pretty much not worth the paper they're printed on with far too many models receiving full marks despite the fact thy're made by the likes of Brooklin and Minichamps! Having said that I still have a soft spot for Brooklin carrying on making their specialist product on a small scale in England and they do seem to have a loyal fanbase and offer very good customer support. It's just a pity the models, despite recent improvements, are still stuck in the eighties. :roll:

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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby David MG » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:58 am

I worship in a sister church , Lansdowne.
For prewar and early post war years when cars had thick pillars I think they are a great source of beloved British cars.
Reckon I have about 30 of them in total, usually bought at around 1/2 price and I love the weight feel and sheer nostalgia of them.
I agree the modern ones don't fare so well as they are a bit crude. Stewil and his Bare Metal Foil does work wonders.
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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby Chris Sweetman » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:00 am

BertOne wrote:
Chris Sweetman wrote:Well this magazine gives this model 10/10 LOL! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.modelcollector.co.uk/news/ar ... 1-43/16841

Perhaps the reviewer worships in the church of Brooklin as referenced by Jeff.

For me there are several issues applying to the manufacture:

1. The windscreen does not fit into the frame
2. The side windows are not flush in the frames
3. Rear screen does not fit into the frame
4. Headlight lenses are represented in metal! Many forums offer excuses why this is the case but Brooklin could buy in “proper” lenses from Scale 43 to rectify this issue. OK a few more ££££’s will be added to the overall cost but!!!!!!!
5. There is too much of a gap between the bottom of the window frame and the top line where the doors are.
6. The chrome trim looks way out of scale
7. Then there are the details as pointed out by Lloyd

Chris


Model Collector's reviews are pretty much not worth the paper they're printed on with far too many models receiving full marks despite the fact thy're made by the likes of Brooklin and Minichamps! Having said that I still have a soft spot for Brooklin carrying on making their specialist product on a small scale in England and they do seem to have a loyal fanbase and offer very good customer support. It's just a pity the models, despite recent improvements, are still stuck in the eighties. :roll:


Yes, I agree there are positives relating to the Brooklin company especially with their customer support being second to none. However, the focus on this post was about a specific model and my comments related to this. One review taken from any source should never be fully accepted. My inclusion of the Model Collector review was that not everyone sees the obvious “faults”! Also a printed magazine like Model Collector has to take care with reviews because they could loose financial support gained from their advertisers. At times Model Collector does a full review on a model lasting a couple of pages and I find this treatment very useful because the reviewers are taken from persons that know the full size vehicle. In most reviews of this type it is clear what is right and what isn’t when comparing the model to the real thing.

Personally, I think you are a decade out regarding Brooklin models. IMHO Brooklin have never escaped from the 1970’s!

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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby Tom » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:30 am

I still like them. Like old Dinky and Corgi models, they're charming. I'm pretty sure the people at Brooklin know how to produce more realistic output, but with their loyal fanbase this is probably a choice.

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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby BertOne » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:33 am

David MG wrote:I worship in a sister church , Lansdowne.
For prewar and early post war years when cars had thick pillars I think they are a great source of beloved British cars.
Reckon I have about 30 of them in total, usually bought at around 1/2 price and I love the weight feel and sheer nostalgia of them.
I agree the modern ones don't fare so well as they are a bit crude. Stewil and his Bare Metal Foil does work wonders.


I can see your logic. The whole white metal production process is far better suited to the more staid British cars than the chrome and detail heavy American ones. The fact that Brooklin can survive at all with all these much more highly detailed and cheaper resin models out there shows there's a ready market for these old school models. Personally I haven't bought one for over 20 years.

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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby TR2 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:47 am

Brooklin has a house style which it has remained loyal to since the beginnings. One main element is the metal headlamps. I think they're fine (white metal is Brooklin's signature). The models since the start have been slight caricatures of the actual automobiles. This is almost inevitable when using a medium like white metal which does not allow really fine engraving. But white metal has one attribute that many collectors treasure - the chunky charm. And the models have a wonderfully deep and rich paint finish. Is Brooklin stuck in the Seventies? Not really: there have been subtle refinements in trim over the years. Are they (and Lansdowne) traditional? Absolutely: ask the man who owns one (or fifty). :)

(I'd been planning on Brooklin's new 1940 Buick woody station wagon for Christmas. A wonderful model, and quite accurate. But the Buick, which is now reaching the shops, has been edged out by something else, a model of a British one-off which I have on order. In white metal, with all the strengths and weaknesses of that interesting medium.)

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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby Chris Sweetman » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:23 am

Not wishing to distil the OP question. This was because it was specific to an actual model not to the whole manufacturer I will just add if you like a model and you have the funds available at the time you are likely to purchase it. If you dislike it you will stay clear whatever anyone else thinks!

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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby TR2 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:33 am

My comments apply to the Caddy, too. Indeed, my comments were prompted by your lengthy indictment of the model. I was attempting to enlarge the discussion with an outline of the Brooklin house style, as I see it, and the reason why some recurring criticisms of Brooklin may not be entirely relevant. ;)

(The Caddy's fins are a bit small and some chrome a bit large, no question. Amen.)

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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby Chris Sweetman » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:23 am

TR2 wrote:My comments apply to the Caddy, too. Indeed, my comments were prompted by your lengthy indictment of the model. I was attempting to enlarge the discussion with an outline of the Brooklin house style, as I see it, and the reason why some recurring criticisms of Brooklin may not be entirely relevant. ;)

(The Caddy's fins are a bit small and some chrome a bit large, no question. Amen.)


My, as you put it, indictment of this model is well founded as I have actually seen several examples of this particular issue. I haven’t based opinion merely on images from either magazines or the internet. Each individual model I have examined has the same problems.

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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby TR2 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:40 pm

My verdict: this clearly isn't a Cadillac, or a Brooklin, for you. That leaves exactly one more Brooklin Cadillac for everyone else.

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Re: Brooklin 1960 Cadillac Issue

Postby Chris Sweetman » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:53 pm

TR2 wrote:My verdict: this clearly isn't a Cadillac, or a Brooklin, for you. That leaves exactly one more Brooklin Cadillac for everyone else.


Well actually there are six left for the above as this is the number I have left on the shelf after detailed examination.

Now if I wasn’t interested in buying the model why would I bother looking?

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