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Transporter Question

Post by Stu935 » Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:42 am

I've started to plan how i want to display my collection, and thinking of having a centerpiece using the Exoto Jagermeister Bartoletti 306/2 Race Car Transporter (picture below). I am unfamiliar with the transporter and unsure if I would be able to display this transporter loading either a Jagermeister Porsche 934 (1976) or 911 Carrera RSR (1975). The Exoto site list the transporter as a 1971 era model, but I'm uncertain if this transporter would actually have been used to transport these types of Porsches and if the eras would be all wrong.

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Jager » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:16 am

Stu, unfortunately the Exoto Bartoletti 'Jagermeister' transporter is completely fictious.

Most of the 934's and 935's would have been carried in this very simple Mercedes van (the pictures here are from 1976 & 1977) :

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Jager » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:22 am

By 1981, the Kremer team had an articulated 'Jagermeister' transporter as shown in the background of this picture, but it wasn't all orange :

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Rat » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:36 am

Your picture isn't opening but I was looking at the Exoto $400+ Jager transporter a couple of weeks ago and I was thinking that there were never enough Jagermeister Porsches at any race to fill that truck. It's a product of Exoto's imagination but it's a beautifully made model. I think your only option for a Jager transporter is the Schuco /Premium Mercedes truck.

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Jager » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:56 pm

From the pictures I've seen, even the Premum Classixxs MB van was only used as a tow vehicle, with the cars carried on a trailer.

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Here's a picture of the Jagermeister 935 in 1980. It's not quite the spotless, professional environment you'd expect.

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Tom » Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:02 pm

Looks like they tossed everything in from a distance...

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Stu935 » Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:12 pm

thanks for the info chaps. Think I'll skip on the Exoto transporter since it's just an 'imagineered' vehicle. It explains why i couldn't find any info or photos of the vehicle when i did a search before posting this thread. I may go back to my idea of the Premium Classixx Rothmans transporter with a couple of Rothman Porsches

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Post by Stu935 » Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:13 pm

Tom wrote:Looks like they tossed everything in from a distance...
still tidier than my daughters bedroom :lol:

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Jager » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:02 am

Stu, maybe you've seen this picture before.

I'd think you could make a 'Martini' display like the one below with your new Make-Up 1973 #46 'Martini' 911 RSR, and the Premium Classixx transporter and support van. You could even add the sister #47 Porsche, while Premium Classixx's also did a silver 'Martini' VW Kombi as well.

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Here's my own 'Martini' display, though its a bit ficticious as the two Porsche's come from different years :

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Stu935 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:12 am

great suggestion Ian, That would look great with the two Le Mans 73 RSRs

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Post by jinx » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:36 pm

I've got a few similar to Ian

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Serafa » Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:53 am

Man... those transporters are awesome!

Wish I had more space...
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Re: Transporter Question

Post by danny » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:58 am

Sorry to disappoint you guys with the silver transporters, but the setting with the 1971 Porsche 917 is wrong.
The Porsche MB O317 renntransporters where red in the first place when bought by Porsche. One was lent to John Wyer who used it together with their own AEC regal VI and was painted in the gulf colours for 1970 and 1971, the others stayed red. In 1972 they where hardly used because there was no official race team. In 1973 the gulf transporter was sold to BMW and one of the others painted silver for the Porsche Martini racing team now being the factory team while the third stil kept red. The martini livered cars which raced in 1971 where entered by the team of Hans-Dieter Dechent. This team moved its race cars on a trailer pulled by rented Magirius trucks. For 1976 both remaining renntransporters where repainted in white. This was now the colour of the racers. In 1979 the martini livery was replaced by essex, a year later to be replaced with Porsche motorsport striping and finally repainted in Rothmans blue and white.

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The whole series of Mercedes O317 is made by Premium classixxs (from left to right 12200, 12203, 12201, 12202, 12205, 12207), the AEC Regal VI is made by spark (S0289)

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Jager » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:03 am

danny wrote:Sorry to disappoint you guys with the silver transporters, but the setting with the 1971 Porsche 917 is wrong.
The Porsche MB O317 renntransporters where red in the first place when bought by Porsche. One was lent to John Wyer who used it together with their own AEC regal VI and was painted in the gulf colours for 1970 and 1971, the others stayed red. In 1972 they where hardly used because there was no official race team. In 1973 the gulf transporter was sold to BMW and one of the others painted silver for the Porsche Martini racing team now being the factory team while the third stil kept red.
Good info Danny. That agrees with my understanding.
danny wrote:The martini livered cars which raced in 1971 where entered by the team of Hans-Dieter Dechent. This team moved its race cars on a trailer pulled by rented Magirius trucks.
I've not heard that before. I thought the Martini cars were moved in the Martini transporter used in 1970 :

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Do you have any pictures of the 1971 Martini cars on the trailer ?
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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Stu935 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:57 am

great info Danny, thanks for that.

As suggested by Ian earlier in the thread, I want to display the silver Martini Mercedes O317 with the 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RSRs #46 & #47. Would these be the correct race cars to display with the silver transporter, going from the info you posted this would seem correct.

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by danny » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:28 am

@ Jager
The martini team entered for the 1970 le mans race 2 908/02 flounders, 1 long tail and 1 short tail plus 1 917 long tail. So they needed additional transport, being done with the rented cars and trailers. For the 1971 race they entered 3 917`s 1 short, 1 long and the pig. The pig was to wide to fit in any transporter and needed to be transported on a trailer. It is possible the team could use the red O317 previous year used by the Salzburg team but i am not sure about this. I got no pictures of the 917 on a trailer (yet).

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The #46 and #47 for le mans is right, but any O317 with a targa florio car is not. Porsche didn`t used them for the targa because it was almost impossible to make a turn on the twisty roads on Sicily. It seems they used the LP608 with trailer there (2 years ago announced by premium classixxs and withdrawn) . But this is also not confirmed with pictures.
You could also add a MB LP608 and a VW T2.
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Re: Transporter Question

Post by Jager » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:57 am

danny wrote:@ Jager
The martini team entered for the 1970 le mans race 2 908/02 flounders, 1 long tail and 1 short tail plus 1 917 long tail. So they needed additional transport, being done with the rented cars and trailers. For the 1971 race they entered 3 917`s 1 short, 1 long and the pig. The pig was to wide to fit in any transporter and needed to be transported on a trailer. It is possible the team could use the red O317 previous year used by the Salzburg team but i am not sure about this. I got no pictures of the 917 on a trailer (yet).
Danny, I have the picture below of the 917's alongside the red 0317. Is there a link, or is it just a coinciidence :

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danny wrote:@stu935
The #46 and #47 for le mans is right
Here's one of the '73 cars being loaded / unloaded into the 0317 transporter at Le Mans Unfortunately it's impossible to tell which one :

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Re: Transporter Question

Post by danny » Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:22 am

Jager wrote: Danny, I have the picture below of the 917's alongside the red 0317. Is there a link, or is it just a coinciidence

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That is no coincidence, there was always a red O317 available for whoever needed one in prior to 1973. For 1973, 1 was sold to BMW and 2 Where painted silver. It is very plausible that the one used by Porsche Salzburg in 1970, was lent to the Hans-Dieter Dechent / Martini international racing team in 1971.

Here a picture of the Hans-Dieter Dechent / Martini international racing team cars of Le Mans
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Jager wrote: Here's one of the '73 cars being loaded / unloaded into the 0317 transporter at Le Mans Unfortunately it's impossible to tell which one :

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That is not 1973. There is an extension under the rear window and very wide raer fenders, which are not on the cars of 1973. This is a picture of 1974 showing the 2.1 RSR turbo cars. The picture must been taken at the arrival at Le mans. The car being unloaded is the Porsche 911 Carrera RSR Turbo #911 460 9101 R12 with the start number #8 of the previous race at the Nürburgring still on it. The second one on the right side of the picture is the Porsche 911 Carrera RSR Turbo #911 460 9102 R13 making its first race at Le Mans.

The 1973 car
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the 1974 car
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